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TimberBunny |
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Nononono, i mean, the only REASON it goes straight, is because everything's still equal.
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Booya2180 |
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when considering batteries. what effects to volts have, and amps have. is it relavant to torque or horsepower. how do volts and mah effect my car?
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suspekae |
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I'm lookin at gettin a V2 real soon. What all should I get or do to ensure that it performs to at its best? Is there any advise you can lend or tips youve found to work? Thank you again
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Jshwaa |
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Quote: Good question, Booya2180. Voltage and current are the 2 components to electrical power(watts). In fact, the equation for one watt is W = V * I, where one watt is made up of multiplying one volt by one amp. Horsepower is a kind of a wierd one....because there's 2 kinds of horsepower, electrical and physical. Electrical horsepower is defined as 760 watts, where physically it is defined as the amount of work done at a rate of 550 foot-pounds per second. One mechanical horsepower is equal to 745.705 watts. That's the wierd part......why aren't they equal in watts? Beats me. Anyway...all this is relevant to torque and horsepower, because the components of electrical power can be converted to watts and watts to horsepower, so in effect the more current and voltage you run, the more horsepower your xmod has. The more horsepower it has, the greater the capacity for torque and speed, which in turn converts to acceleration and top end. It's all about converting electrical power to physical power, in the most efficient manor. This calls for high current output cells(lithium polymers), low resistance switching(stacked FETs, externals), and an efficient motor, gearing, and drive train set-up for your race conditions(turns, straight-aways, etc.). I'd go into motors, but that'd be overkill......besides there's endless resources on that subject here already. Just do a search or a google on "DC MOTOR THEORY". But generally, you want a motor that will draw heavy amounts of current and efficiently convert current to electromotive force. Voltage simply increases top end, while mAh will give you longer run-times and better instantaneous current supply for better acceleration. So if you can pack the highest voltage and mAh power supply possible in the tiny excess volume of the xmod body, you have more power to play with and you'll go faster and quicker. This is why lithium polymers rock, because they will maintain their nominal voltage while delivering up to 10C(roughly 10 times the mAh rating of the cell)worth of current, which will convert to a very decent top end AND acceleration if the setup is right. ![]() |
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Jshwaa |
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Quote: I can't really speak for Rob's product, as I've never owned one myself, but I can tell you that the cooler you keep that board, the better. If you have the extra room, look into heat sinking it. You could also get a roof scoop which will turn a little drag into a cooling draft right on top of your board and/or heat sink. The roof scoop would cool your motor too. ![]() |
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suspekae |
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I saw this on another forum. "Each Li-poly cell is fully charged when the cell tests at 4.2V (no load) and is fully discharged when the cell tests at 3.0V (no load). It is very important that you do not let the cell go above 4.2V or below 3V or you will damage the cell"....can you explain this to me in basic english, something I can understand. How do you let the cell go above and below?
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js420 |
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You can't really let the cell go above 4.2. That guideline is intended for charger designers. When you charge the lipo, you quick charge it at constant current until it's charged to 4.2 volts. Then you charge at constant voltage until it won't receive any more current. If you kept charging at constant current after the voltage level reached 4.2, you'd damage the battery.
During normal discharge, the voltage across a battery will drop. For example, the lipos will go from 4.2->3V if you discharge them "fully". If you continue to use the battery after it's down to 3V, the voltage level will continue to drop and it can damage the battery. Since there's no "memory" in lipos as there is in older technologies like nicad, there's no need to fully discharge it. Basically don't run the car until it's batteries are so dead it doesn't even move =) |
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suspekae |
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so is there an indicator that lets me know when it's done charging? I figure there should be. And how do you tell when they go below 3v, is there a dramitic effect on the car (is it something you notice in the speed or response?). I'm new to electronics
, don't know much about them. I should be getting my liths in the mail on Tuesday and really don't want to mess anything up. I had gotten an Atomic Standard motor that supposedly spins @ 40,000 something rpms @6v...not for me, its slower than a stg1 and personally I don't know if it's something I did wrong, and with that all you gotta do is solder on some wires, so you can see the...intimidation the lith packs might have. which is pretty lame
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js420 |
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There's nothing to tell you exactly when they go below 3V. What you can do is get a basic multi-meter from any electronics or hardware store (radio shack, canadian tire, wal-mart, etc). You should be able to get one for <$10. Then stick a freshly-charged set of lipos in your car and run then for 10-15 mins. Pull a couple of the batteries out and measure the voltage across them. If it's close to 4V you've probably got a while to go. If it's getting closer to 3.5V, you should recharge them. Once you figure out a decent run time, keep that as a basic guideline and recharge each time you run for approx. that long.
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Jshwaa |
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To my fellow xmod'ers:
I had a terrible accident at my house last Thursday(10/26). Something caused an outlet to fail, behind my workbench, and my house caught fire, taking my workbench, tools, equipment, xmods, computers, etc. with it. Needless to say, it will be a while before I will be into electronics, let alone xmods. I will try to keep up with your questions as best I can. You guys will be ok though. There's plenty of people here that are on the same page with questions and answers. I will post pictures of the damage later. Take care and don't play with fire. Check your electrical situation and make sure all your smoke and fire detectors are functioning. ![]() |
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suspekae |
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How ya doin? Hope lifes startin to lookin up for ya'. I got another question and need help. First it's an Evo, I just got the lithium poly pro 2S2P 10C pack. I hooked it all up and turned it on, it was all good (it acted like the tutorial said it should), I ran an Atomic Standard (which is supposed to be good with stock fets) and the lith pack, within a few mins it burnt up the fets. Now I've heard a lot of people talkin about thier cars with liths and a stage 2 runnin fine, do you think it could be the motor I used that did it...or at least a big part of it? Also which would you recommend: V2 or a Nelly. Again I've heard a lot of mixed reviews on both and want your opinion. Thanks again.
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Jshwaa |
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If you have an evo, I don't recommend externals at all. If your soldering is good, you should get by with a 2x2 stack of some "good" FET's. As an extra, you can epoxy a small heat sink on your stack. The reason I say 'no externals' is because the added power rating of the external is not going to compliment the extra weight, compared to a simple stack.
As far as YOUR situation goes.....whoever told you that running a 2s2p li-po pack with stock FET's was seriously jacked. You don't run lithium polymer cells to keep your current draw within safe limits for stock components. In other words....would you run pure alcohol in your ford tempo with the stock 4 banger in it? NO. WHY? Because you're using the alcohol for more power than your stock engine was even dreamed of putting out or handling. So, to be more specific....when you added your lipos to your xmod, you made it where when you stall the motor(take-offs, or getting stuck), the lipos will provide more current, not just the marginal amount that the stock Ni-Mh would have provided, causing your FET's to heat up more than the Ni-Mh would have. ![]() |
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suspekae |
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so you recommend goin straight with stacked FETS, no V2 or Nelly, right? And as always thank you for takin time to help.
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Jshwaa |
Re: Just ask Jshwaa. | ||
Quote: With the evo's, yes. The evo encorporated "charge pumps" for the FET's, so the driving capability will support stacks a lot better than gen 1's did. If you have a gen 1, I would recommend using a well built external with drive architecture capable of driving its own FET's. I believe ph2t was hip to this and has FET drivers on his board. I know little to nothing about the V2 though. ![]() |
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chops1sc |
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i dont know if you are able to read this right now, but im gonna ask anyway. do you know how or if it is possible to use resistors inline with the servo for evo to eliminate the jitter associated with lithiums? or if there is another post with this already addressed can you or someone help me with this?
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Jshwaa |
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Quote: Yes. I won't be able to experiment and test to see which value is ideal, but theoretically it will work. With resistance in series with the servo motor, the current to the servo motor will be limited. With the current limited, the motor will not respond with as much torque, preventing the motor from jumping the steering mechanism past its predetermined position, overcompensating, and having to jump back(jittering). The downside to this is that with limiting the current to your servo motor, you are reducing the force at which it will turn. Whether that is something to worry about.....your guess is as good as mine, as I'm unable to test this. I have nothing electronic, except my laptop computer......after the fire. ![]() |
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Mauler5000 |
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I got a question about My evo. I just put liths on it and the motor is cutting out. It was fine before i put the liths on it. I have resoldered everything a number of times, tried multiple motors and still the same thing. The weird thing is it does it worse when i put the antenna on the car, so what makes me think its something to do with the range, but I dont know. So if you have any ideas it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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WoRkAh0LiC |
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What happens when you remove the Lithium batteries and put in AAAs?
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Mauler5000 |
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Didnt think to try that lol. When i put the AAA's back on it does not cut out it and it works fine. So what does that mean?
Well I fixed it. I replaced the deans plug on the lith pack and now it works fine. I dont know what was wrong with it but it was the problem. Thanks for helping Workaholic. |
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WoRkAh0LiC |
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Well I really didn't do all that much you know... You just needed a slight push in the right direction and I guess I provided that. Seems to me like you did all the diagnostic work and testing on your own. Happy to see that it works now.
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